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 ====== Birth of Jesus - History and Perception II ... ====== ====== Birth of Jesus - History and Perception II ... ======
  
-Wednesday, Dec 05, 2019. Talking about facts and history, we are discussing the +Thursday, Dec 05, 2019. Talking about facts and history, we are discussing the 
-birth of Jesus. +birth of Jesus. There are many things to say here about the gospels and their way 
 +to present the story. You might read the Christmas story following Luke, from Chapter 2. 
 +Or you look into Matthew Chapters 1 and 2
  
 +There are several events told in connection with the birth of Jesus. Also, 
 +Matthew and Luke have a slightly different way to put the event into historical
 +context - Matthew referring to Herod the Great, Luke to Quirinius and the many
 +censuses, which the Roman emperor Augustus initiated during his lifetime. We
 +have discussed this already earlier. In any case, both Gospels name relatively
 +clear reference points which are well-known historical periods, with the 
 +exception that Quirinius was governor in Palestine from 6-21 AD, before that
 +he held many positions between Northern Africa, Rome, modern Turkey and Syria,
 +which might have included Palestine, but that is not fully clear. He conducted
 +a census in 7 AD, but it is not known if this was the first census Luke refers
 +to. References to the Roman emperor Tiberius and to the governor Pilate fit
 +into the story completely, supporting a birth of Jesus about 6-4 BC. 
  
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 ** Events around the birth of Jesus ... ** ** Events around the birth of Jesus ... **
  
- +There are more events told about the birth of Jesus. We have already discussed 
 +the fact that he is born in very poor circumstances in a town which was  
 +completely insignificant with respect to worldly and even spiritual standards. 
  
-{{ 2017:2017_08_23_2.jpg}}+But there are the shepherds, to which an angel comes and tells them to  
 +see the kid. We hear about heavenly praise on this particular occasion.  
 +You could, of course, put these stories into a box of fairy tales. Today,  
 +modern worldly theology has big difficulties to accept angels and supernatural  
 +events. They are not acceptable as "scientific" - they are not accessible to 
 +experiments. We would not be able to explain them with our understanding 
 +of natural laws. They are not standard experience of humans today, at least not 
 +in a way which we would be able to pin down to something we could investigate
  
-**  ... **+Science as it stands has no other choice than to classify the supernatural 
 +elements of the story as perception or interpretation or later legends which 
 +arose from oral communication of the early church
  
 +My point here, as a scientist, is to fully understand the way science works
 +and has to work. We need to understand the strength of the scientific method. 
 +We need to understand how science interacts with many of the biblical stories. 
 +And we need to understand the limitations of the scientific approach. 
  
 +Science will not accept that an angel appeared to the shepherds. It will
 +not be able to accept it, since it is based on the assumption that all events
 +can be understood by natural laws, which might include statistical laws today.
 +But an angel is neither a part of our natural world nor is it a statistical
 +phenomenon. 
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 +** What happened? ... **
 +
 +Still, we need to ask: what happened around the birth of Jesus? Is it possible
 +that there were angels and the multitude of the heavenly host? 
 +
 +It is clear that science cannot explain it. It is also clear that science, as
 +it works, has not any tool or eye or approach to take supernatural events
 +into its lines of arguments. It can look at the outcome of some events. It
 +can investigate someone who is healed. But when the healing took place in 
 +a supernatural way, it cannot say much about it. 
 +
 +We also need to understand that the approach of science, looking for natural
 +causes, has led to many inventions and a very far reaching understanding of
 +the natural world. We have learned so much about the atmosphere, about human
 +medical conditions, our body, biology, chemistry, physics, sociology, history
 +etc etc. It is good to have a mode of mind which tries to understand the
 +natural laws of a world which seems to be governed by such laws to a large
 +extent!
 +
 +Still, we also need to understand that our understanding of this world is
 +still extremely limited. Often, we understand some parts of the processes. 
 +We understand some laws. But we do not understand them completely, and we
 +do not understand the complete depth and breadth and complexity of events
 +and processes. Mathematics can do a lot, and has improved in an astonishing
 +way in the past 500 years. Yet, we still have deep difficulties to understand
 +intelligence, emotion, will, desire and the full functioning of our environmental
 +system!
 +
 +You might ask, if the spiritual world exists. It is an old question - and 
 +our world is coming back to it. Esotericism is growing in a world longing
 +for more. The question of angels and heavenly hosts is linked to this spiritual
 +world, and to its interaction with the physical world as we know it. 
 +
 +If you ask me, I am very much convinced that the spiritual world exists. 
 +There is matter, and there is spirit. God is spirit. And humans also have
 +their spirit, we are part of both worlds. The spiritual world exists and is
 +alife as it always was. This is the basis of my understanding - and from 
 +this I can ask in what way the spiritual world interacts with the physical
 +world. I am also convinced that wonders are possible, that God has the
 +power and all possibilities to do what he wants at the interface between
 +our natural world, our spiritual world and our whole life, with all what 
 +is in it. There is much to discuss and to discover here - stay patient
 +and let us go step by step.  
 (Roland Potthast) (Roland Potthast)
  
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